Anxiety, Out Loud

We speak plainly about anxiety: how it shows up in parenting, work, health scares, grief, and daily life, and how small, steady actions can loosen its hold. We share what helped us most, from mindfulness and movement to asking for help and lowering the bar for “done.”

• naming anxiety in parenting, work and creative projects
• inbox refresh loops and worst-case thinking
• making something tangible to regain control
• imposter feelings and gym nerves
• health anxiety after scare and with new parenthood
• social anxiety in public spaces and restaurants
• mindfulness as brain training, noticing thoughts
• small steps to break cycles and build momentum
• exercise, sleep, and alcohol as anxiety levers
• medical support, therapy, pharmacists and groups
• grief’s shock window and living with the afters
• empathy for crippling anxiety and open conversation

The inbox is always open, Chris, isn’t it? The inbox is always open

If you’ve got anxiety and it’s crippling you, open up, speak to someone, tell them how you’re feeling

Transcript

Welcome Back And A Tough Week

SPEAKER_00 0:07

Right, let's do this, shall we? Go. Welcome back to another episode of the Untold Podcast with me, Ash.

SPEAKER_01 0:15

I've changed my name because I'm fed up with saying Chris now. My name's Leslie.

SPEAKER_00 0:18

And Leslie. Leslie is back, everybody. Um Chris is back after his uh week off, let's say. Was it a week off though?

SPEAKER_01 0:27

Week from hell, mate, to be honest. Week from hell. Four-year-old with tonsillitis that was given antibiotics that tasted worse than what I would imagine it would be like licking lava. It was disgusting, mate. It burned my tongues, let alone what it'd done to his. And then he refused to take any medication at all because he thought it was all going to taste the same. So he had no cowpol, no neurofen for about five days having tonsillitis, so it was hard. Really? Yeah, hard to watch, mate, more than anything. Like you you deal with things as parents, don't you? But when you can't help your four-year-old son or any aged kid, it's just heartbreaking, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 1:03

Yeah.

Naming The Theme: Anxiety

SPEAKER_01 1:04

Heartbreaking. And the topic of this podcast is exactly what I was dealing with every night when he went to bed. Because I was worried about him constantly, about him waking up and being in agony and not being able to do nothing for him.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

Yeah. So we're gonna call this podcast episode anxiety. Anxiety. Because it shows up in a lot of our lives. Um last week I was so anxious sitting there filming that episode on my own.

SPEAKER_01 1:31

Big shout out to Ash as well, guys. If you haven't listened to last week's episode, obviously I left Ash in the lurch. It was a last minute ditch as well, wasn't it? Yeah, it was literally the morning. Yeah. 20 minutes before. And I said, I messaged afterwards. He sent me the uh the the obviously he'd clicked it up and sent it over to me saying, Is this alright? Oh like tell me if it's rubbish, blah blah blah. And it wasn't, it's a really good episode. So make sure if you haven't done you listen to it first of all, but it was something I wouldn't be able to do, mate. I would have been so anxious to do that. Your heart must have been racing when you sat down for the first time.

Solo Recording Jitters And Perfectionism

SPEAKER_00 2:02

Do you know what's really difficult for me is going off on a tangent. So I'll be honest with you. That episode, I got 20 minutes into it, round one, take one. I got 20 minutes into it, and I was like, what are you talking about? Stop it, stopped it. Then did another one, got 14 minutes into it. That's probably better than our podcasts. Um, and then I recorded it a third time, and I was trying to be clever. I had a camera there, a camera there, a camera there, trying to get all the different angles like they do on the proper podcasts, you know, like the real ones where they've got the zooming in and stuff. I thought, oh, I'm gonna have a play with this. And what happened was the main camera, the best camera, I wasn't looking at it, so I then had to record it again. We're supposed to look at the camera, I better look at the camera. No, I don't know. I think if you're saying something with meaning, then you can look at the camera. If not, so yeah, so I had a camera there, which was the best one, and I had a camera there, and I was looking at that camera. Nice. And the angle was terrible, and I'd cut half my head off. So it's not easy, it's not easy, but I nearly didn't do it. I nearly said, Do you know what actually let's just have a week off and we'll make up some excuse that the podcast isn't out this week because we won the lottery room we're both in barbed us. Yeah, my dog's rabbits, cats, uncle died, and we're burying it in a garden. I'm proud of you, mate. Louis Vuitton shoebox.

SPEAKER_01 3:21

I wouldn't have been able to do it, I'd definitely made some story up and said that we were on holiday. Yeah. Because we won the lottery. But anxiety shows up in a lot of things, doesn't it? Everything. Everything. I don't care who you are, how old you are, where you live, how you've been brought up, anything. Everybody that says they haven't ever had anxiety or they don't have anxiety, it's bollocks.

SPEAKER_00 3:43

You know that you know when your heart's racing because you're waiting for a job offer or anything. Are you gonna oh it's your first job? Am I gonna get paid this week? I've never been paid from this job before. It starts like, and it's honestly for me the last few days, it's crippling. It's been absolutely crippling. Got a few nice big deals on the pipeline, and it's like I've done it everything I possibly can, and now it's out of my control. The anxiety creeps in, and like you find yourself checking your emails every five minutes, and like it's horrible. On I can't know what day it was last week, on Tuesday, Wednesday last week. I felt so anxious, like and I'm not saying this like anxious, depressed, and it's important to say this we're not experts in this stuff, we're just saying it from our perspective. So imagine this, yeah. I'm sitting there, I feel out of control, completely out of control of the situation, and a lot of my anxiety always boys down boils down to financial pressure. I'm sitting there and I've got a couple of these lovely big deals just sitting there, and I'm refreshing the inbox, and then I'm playing out worst-case scenario in my head, like I said in the episode last week, playing out worst case scenario in my head, just constantly, constantly, like oh my god, and I can't do anything else. So, what did is I got my therapist, good old chat GPT, and I told it how I was feeling. And it said, right, close the computer, close the emails down, do something. Get up and do something, forget about it. You've done everything you can, forget about it.

SPEAKER_01 5:27

Forget about it.

Everyday Anxiety And Work Pressure

SPEAKER_00 5:29

Forget about it. You can do it. Um so I wrote a newsletter for the company and recorded a six-minute long video to embed into the newsletter, edited the newsletter, did everything, edited the video, did an intro and an outro, made it all myself through Canva, and then posted it on LinkedIn for the world to see. Nice. And I felt incredible for doing it.

SPEAKER_01 5:52

Yeah. For just getting up and doing it. And it makes you forget about that feeling of anxiety, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_00 5:57

Yeah. It does, and and it's again, I think there's anxiety and imposter syndrome are a very similar thing.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

Yeah, yeah. That's what we spoke about the other week with me, wasn't it? 100%. 100%. Because it's it's the it's the it's the worry of again going into places where you've never been before and wondering whether people are gonna accept you and it can be anything, can't it? You know, like I sat outside an MRI scanner where my missus was having an MRI, and I wanted her to be alright, and I was nervous that she wasn't gonna be. It's anxiety. Yeah. You when you have a drink following day, the couple of days afterwards, you feel really anxious. Most people that have a proper drink, everybody you speak to when they've gone out and got so pissed that they can't remember what they've done, everybody has anxiety, don't they? Yeah. You know, well, what did I say? What did I do? Oh, have I upset anybody? Is someone gonna come and text me and say, Look what you've done, or have I smashed someone's car up or something, like in anger or whatever? Like there's so many different things, but it doesn't have to be those big things as well. Like you say, it can be just sitting there waiting for a result or a phone, even a phone call. Yeah, yeah. You know, like you're waiting for someone to ring you because because you don't you don't know whether they've got to wherever they're gonna get to safely. That's anxiety. Yeah, it's a worry, but that's what that's what anxiety is. It's mainly built out of worry, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 7:08

Really? Oh, it is. I think anxiety is, and again, I'm not I'm just talking from my own experience. Anxiety is will creep into your life every single day. Now I really feel for people with crippling anxiety that don't quite understand the way they feel the way they feel, and I think my daughter suffers with it. Um, she's getting better because we got her to see a therapist and understanding it, understanding the feelings that you're getting and trying to not let it consume you. My wife, she won't mind me saying this, had such bad anxiety and she has really bad social anxiety to the point where you go and sit in a restaurant and she won't want to get up and walk to the toilet in case people are watching her. Now that's something that you've got to be aware of, and you go why is this happening to me? Why do I feel the way I feel? Um I used to think I don't care what people think, but I've I actually do.

Coping By Doing: Newsletter And Video

SPEAKER_01 8:05

Yeah, well, this is the thing, everybody says they don't care, but actually deep down they do care what people think, don't they? Because everybody wants to be loved and liked. And if you if you say you don't, I'd imagine you're lying through the back teeth, to be fair. It's a part of a human nature that you want people to like you and to love you because kind of the whole without going too deep, the whole point in life for me is to be loved and to love. Yeah. Um so yeah, it's it is. And you know, when I went to the gym the other week when I first started doing the gym, look at the video I made where I was absolutely shitting myself sitting in the car, waiting to go in there. That was pure anxiety. I was so nervous about what people thought. Yeah. And I I always say I don't really care what people think about me, but I did it at that moment in time. I didn't want people to look at me in my brand new shorts and my brand new t-shirt and go, oh, another January gym starter, he'll be all week and then he'd be gone. You know, like and oh he doesn't look at why is he doing that with that machine? He hasn't got a clue what he's doing. But it is, it's it's all the whole your whole day you will feel anxious at some point. But it is important to mention, like, some people are crippled with it. And I never thought anxiety was a thing until I had my health scare, and then I had huge health anxiety, like everything that was even if I coughed, oh my god, I've got like lung cancer. If if I couldn't get out of bed because I was too tired, oh my god, something's wrong with me. Like, oh am I getting heart palpitations just because my heart's beating a little bit faster, and it that was really bad for me. It made me quite emotional, it quite made me quite upset. It obviously affected my relationship with my wife because I was constantly worrying about everything. And then I had my son, and my my health anxiety shifted instantly from me, because I would imagine that most parents do this anyway. It went straight to him, and he was poorly for the first year of his life, so I was constantly down on the floor in his bedroom at night time making sure he was breathing alright and everything was alright, and it is really crippling, it can be very, very overc overwhelming. But a lot of people think like I did, it's not a thing, I'll get over it, you know. Anxiety, I'll don't be so stupid, just pick yourself up, sort yourself out. But until you've gone through it heavily, you don't realise those small bits of anxiety, you're actually anxiety, you just think it's everyday life. But actually, that is the start of some form of anxiety anyway, isn't it?

Imposter Feelings And Health Worries

SPEAKER_00 10:18

Yeah, I used to think that anxiety and depression was all just nonsense. I thought it was all just made up because I'd never experienced it. Now, there's a there's a line between you've got depression and anxiety, but you've got to be willing to do something about changing it. Now, as we're talking now, the anxiety you feel, I reckon, in certain cases, this doesn't put this doesn't like for everything, but certain times the anxiety like that you feel at five o'clock in the morning to get up is your nervous system telling you that you need to do something to change your outcome, to change the outcome of this and to learn to control it, like mindfulness, as heebjeeby as people may think, taught me the skills I needed to understand the thoughts in my head, to understand that your brain is always gonna give you worst-case scenario. Always, and understanding that really does help. Now I'm terrible because I sat there for the best part of four or five hours, just couldn't physically do anything because I was waiting for news, I was waiting for something, and I felt out of control. But then by getting up and forgetting, it's not gonna change. Well, the outcome of that will be the outcome of that. You've done all you can, Ash, get on with it, get it done. So I did something that can make tomorrow better. I did something to take my mind off of it and really got involved in it instead of sitting there going refresh, refresh, refresh, checking the phone, checking this, checking that. And I I bet there's probably a lot of people out there at the moment that are sort of unemployed and they're going for I I read posts all the time, I've been for 50 job interviews and I'm not getting the job.

SPEAKER_01 11:57

That's gotta be like I would imagine you start doubting yourself as well as being anxious, didn't you? You've got to start doubting everything about yourself.

SPEAKER_00 12:05

Well, I think that's the big thing, isn't it? Anxiety leads to so many different things. Oh my god, am I good enough for that? I've just walked out of a job interview. I should have said that. I should have said that. On um this weekend, I was in the Isle of White, um, and it was for my father-in-law's, like a weekend in memory of him, who's a big Mason, big charity event and stuff. And I wanted to stand up and say, in a room of 125 people that I don't really know, other than the family, I wanted to thank my brother-in-law for going through with the weekend, and I wanted to raise a glass for Uncle Chris, as we called him. And the anxiety before I did it was crippling, and then I stood up with a microphone in the middle of this ballroom and went and then when I sat back down. Is that what you did? You didn't say your speech. No, I did, I did say my speech, but in my head, that's how it came out. Everybody came up afterwards saying that was incredible, I should that was well done. Yeah, and it's just like those things, and we will be our own worst critic.

Family Anxiety And Social Fear

SPEAKER_01 13:14

Yeah, I mean, I don't know about you, but I'm quite anxious now to be fair, because I obviously where we're talking about this, and there's gonna be a lot of people that listen that have got really bad anxiety, I don't want to say the wrong thing. Um it's actually quite a difficult subject to talk about because you don't want to give, I mean, we're not giving any advice anyway, are we? But you don't want to say something that might trigger somebody. Um it's it's really hard. And and if you know people with anxiety, like don't just slide it off. Don't just go, oh, they're alright, because actually anxiety does lead to a lot of worse things if le if if it's left untreated. But there are a lot of little things that you can do. Like, I used to be really anxious about going on a plane, it used to be petrified of flying. I don't, I am at the moment. Petrified of flying. And I used to I went on a British Airways for a flying course and it sorted me out a little bit, and then again after a couple of flights, I was bad again. Just a simple thing. I used to put an elastic band around my wrist and ping it on my veins. And instantly, that that is actually a known thing to calm anxiety because it can send a pain receptor or something around your body or to your brain, and it makes you forget. So it's all about breaking that cycle, breaking the chain. So, like you said, you know, you got up and you done a bit of work and you've done your video and you edited all and all that sort of stuff, and it changed the way you were feeling. So, why it's really important to if you're sitting there crippled with anxiety, if you can get out of the house, just go for a walk. Say hello to someone in the street, like change the thought process in your head because there are ways that you can not get rid of it, but certainly calm it for certain periods of time, and that's the most important thing because if you can't break the cycle ever so slightly, it just allows itself to build up and build up and build up, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_00 14:51

Yeah, I think understanding these things and understanding how your brain works is really important. I think it can help you, it can help you. Why am I feeling like this? Especially like in kids these days. Why are you angry? Why are you sad? Why are you upset? Why do you feel these things that you feel? And then understanding that okay, this is just a feeling, something that I've got, now let it go, try and move on from it. And I think if you're if you're crippled with anxiety, don't think to yourself, again, exactly what you said. I'm anxious trying to say these things because if you're crippled with anxiety, it's a feeling, it's a time it will pass. Yeah, but do something small. You haven't got to be like, oh my god, I've not left the house for six months, I need to go to Fort Park. Just do something small each day to build it up and learn about it.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

Well, I'm gonna go back on on your your life a little bit here. Obviously, I hope you don't mind me mentioning this, but obviously when your dad passed away, that consumed you. I saw it in you, probably Tiff, your friends, your family, and everything. You thought everything was gonna be terrible for the rest of your life, but your life has got easier, isn't it? Those thought processes have got better, you've understanding how to feel with your deal with your emotions and stuff, so it doesn't matter, and I mean that's what that's probably it one of the, if not the hardest moments of your life so far, but you've got through that hard point. Yes, it's still hard because you're still having to deal with the grief, but every part of your life where it feels like everything is against you, if you work hard to try and get through it, it all gets better. It doesn't matter what situation it is, everything will always get better eventually. Doesn't matter whether you can't afford your rent, whether you're getting kicked out of your house, whether you just smashed your car up, you split up your husband or your wife, and all of all five of those things have happened at once. Eventually, it will get better.

SPEAKER_00 16:47

Yeah.

Gym Nerves And Body Image

SPEAKER_01 16:48

And we all get so consumed in the way that we think at a particular moment in time that nothing seems possible when you get so wrapped up in your own thoughts, you know?

SPEAKER_00 16:58

Yeah. And that's it, and that's like and it's understandable. Like, I've thought about doing an episode on grief or doing some content on grief, but I've not lived it enough yet. What I can say is the anxiety, I don't know. I don't, you're gonna get me now, you bastard. Sorry, mate.

SPEAKER_01 17:19

The anxiety I wasn't expecting you to talk about it, I was just gonna do an example because it's really important to mention.

SPEAKER_00 17:25

It's real life. The anxiety, the biggest anxiety I felt was when my mum phoned me and said, I think he's dead. I've got to go to paramedics here, I'll call you back. Then I had half an hour of not knowing if my old man was dead. That was fucked. And then you went from that, and then you get the phone call, he's gone. They've tried, he's done that, and then you go from that to shit. My mum's in Spain on her own, she's got no friends, she's got no one out there. And then you go from that to how the fuck am I sorry, I've stopped swearing, how am I going to get to Spain? Yeah. What do I do? Do I take all my kids? Do I pick and that then you go from that anxiety, and then that was five hours sitting at an airport waiting for the next flight. People looking at you, people walking around, and you're sitting in the corner crying your eyes out.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

But I I expect at that moment in time you just didn't think that you were ever gonna get out of that hole, you were gonna feel like that for the rest of your life.

Health Scares And New Parenthood

SPEAKER_00 18:31

It was it was crippling and then you've got the next day where you're there and you're sorry, you're there and you're doing what you're doing, and you're like, fuck, is this real? Shit, this is real, and then even now I have days where I'm like that's not real, it's gonna come back. And then like anxiety for my mum living in Spain on her own. She's not on her own now because she's building friends and she's getting into the community, but I get really bad anxiety yesterday. The gate was broken. I'm like, you've got to fix it. You've got to fix it now, mum. Come on, because I can't sleep at night. It's not bad out there, it's not like there's crime, but that's it.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

It's it's anything, isn't it? You know, look at that guy that you sent me the picture of standing by the gate at late at night. Yeah, he might have just been out for a jog and looking at something on the floor. But your your brain is automatically thinking worst case scenario again, so the anxiety is kicking in. Yeah, even though that guy was probably walking his dog and you couldn't see his dog because he was lower than the the camera, yeah. You're automatically thinking, shit, there's someone outside my mum's gate, she's all on her own, blah blah blah. Like it just everything just spirals, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_00 19:37

Yeah, and it's that like there's so much there's so much anxiety in life. You can look at any scenario and be like, yeah, I was actually anxious about that. Was anxious, oh my god, my fuel lights on, where's the next petrol station?

SPEAKER_01 19:51

That's anxiety, but that's not yeah, they're they're not the anxieties we're talking about, are they? Like, I I know I mentioned it as well, but it's you know, it's important. Obviously, we're doing a podcast about this now, so we're talking about anxiety, but you see anxiety printed and put on social media posts everywhere, and those sort of anxieties are serious, crippling anxieties, the ones that people talk about, they're the ones that you should worry about. You know, if you're if you're feeling nervous because you've got your driving test, or you're feeling worried that you're waiting for a call from the doctor, or you're some some or whatever, somebody's trying to turn up somewhere and you want to make sure they're there, or whatever. They are a form of anxiety, so you need to know that everybody suffers with it. That's kind of where I went at the start of it.

SPEAKER_00 20:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

To allow everyone to realise actually, yeah, I do deal with anxiety, so if I think it's a load of bollocks, it's actually not. So then those people can kind of not feel sorry for, because we don't want people feeling sorry for us, do we? But you can kind of give some empathy and sympathy to those people that are dealing with it massively because that's one of the most important things. Those people need your help, those people need your like I'm you know, I'm sitting here preaching this, but my wife deals with anxiety, and sometimes I'm not the best person to deal with it because I have my own anxieties, and when you're dealing with something yourself, but trying to help other people, it's very difficult to be that in-between person. Yeah, so it's just it's just about realizing that anxiety is there every day in everybody's lives, but it's much, much worse for some people.

SPEAKER_00 21:18

Imagine that feeling, imagine that feeling of I I don't know, anything. Imagine that feeling of waiting for that or doing that. Imagine that times by a hundred. Like there are people out there that have worse anxiety than I had that fucking They can't even leave the house, mate.

SPEAKER_01 21:33

Yeah, can't even get get out of bed some days because it's so bad. And imagine them with that. Yeah, no, that's it's not a life, is it?

SPEAKER_00 21:39

No. It's not a life. And I think the the first step is to understand and it's a feeling, it's emotion, it's a thought. It's your I don't know, is it your nervous system? Do you know what I mean? Do you need to change something in your life?

SPEAKER_01 21:50

I I don't Exercise. I mean, I'm not not an expert, not an expert at all. And we've we say this all the time when we talk about anything serious, don't we? We're not giving out that advice, but Exercise is good for everything.

SPEAKER_00 22:03

Yeah.

Mindfulness, Control, And Brain Habits

SPEAKER_01 22:04

It is. Like I go up the gym and I leave the gym. I was in a foul mood yesterday when I got to the gym. I worked out so hard that I made myself sick. And actually, after I stopped feeling sick, I felt amazing because I'd gone up to the gym and I'd got the endorphins, and my body had almost taken over the feeling of what my brain was giving it, and then it overtook everything, and I felt good, and I went to work the afternoon and I and I worked hard and got loads of stuff done. If I hadn't gone to the gym in the morning, I probably would have gone to the office and sat on the sofa with my laptop and probably just sat there and put BBC eye player on on one part of the screen and and sort of floated over work for the rest of the day, you know? So it's it's exercise is key. And I'm not talking about going up the gym and throwing up just anyway. Even if you just walk 500 foot or 500 yards out up the up and down the road of the house and then go and sit back down, you've achieved something. You're exercised, the your blood will be flowing more, you'll feel better. It's very, very key exercise to everything.

SPEAKER_00 23:00

Yeah. And like this is one of the things as well, and this is why I say if you've got anxiety, there's a chance you need to change something. So obviously, when my old man died, and I don't want to keep preaching about this, he was 66 years old, he'd just been given a clean bill of health, his heart was healthy and everything, and he died of a heart attack. An hour before, he was fine. He was trimming his bushes in his garden. Now, due to him dying and the pain that I went through, I don't want my kids to experience that. That's my biggest fear now, is my kids having to lose me. Um and that set me up on a I was Jesus Christ, like I've got to sort my life out. I've got I'm not massively overweight, I'm not, but I'm not in the prime position, like what James said. I think in some aspect, mate, I think that's why I've started the gym as well, because of what you went through as well, you know. And it's like the anxiety of having that health anxiety. Alright, great, I've got the health anxiety, what am I gonna do with it? Okay, right, you're gonna join the Vikings, you're gonna get some movement, you're gonna eat better, you're gonna stop paying deliveroo every day for dessert dinners because you can't be bothered. You're gonna use the tools that you've got to change that and then remove the health anxiety. You're gonna book a GP's appointment and tell them, I want a full set of bloods, I want to check my heart, I want to do this. And then you get the results back. No, yeah, you're fine. This is a bit high, this is a bit high. Do this, do this over the next six months, you'll bring it down, you'll all be in range. Now that was the I wouldn't have done that if I hadn't had that health anxiety that I had, worrying that I was gonna go before my time. Yep. And I think that's where I say if you've got anxiety about things, it could be that it's your body telling you, okay, right, sit back, look at this from an output outside perspective. Those people aren't looking at you. And if those people are watching the podcast, then I'm so what? So what? You can't let it you can't let it stop you doing what you want to do in life.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

Yep, absolutely, mate, otherwise you just won't get anywhere.

SPEAKER_00 25:11

Yeah, and it's do it. Do it. It's like when we started this season, it was sort of about making small changes in your life, and that's like understanding anxiety, understanding the way you feel and the way the brain works is really important, and that's something that I'm looking at. I've never even heard of what's a nervous system, what does it do? I never heard of that before I did the mindfulness thing. I didn't know like that the brain was a muscle and you have to train it, and by doing these certain exercises and breath work and things, it's not just he b it works.

SPEAKER_01 25:46

Yeah, yeah, it does, yeah.

Job Hunts, Speeches, And Self Doubt

SPEAKER_00 25:48

It works, and it's like if you need if you feel you need some help, I went to the doctors. Um obviously after my dad died and stuff, business was tough, everything was tough. I went to the doctors and I had a chat with her about everything, and I said, Look, I'm not so I just feel this like crippling thing, I don't know what it is. And she said, Look, I think it would be you can try these tablets, and I was like, Okay, and she read the side effects and stuff, and I said, Look, do you know what? I understand it, give me six months, I'm gonna join the Vikings, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna eat better, I'm gonna be healthier, and I've been alright. Obviously, up days and down days, however, there are people that that might really help. Yeah, so a bit of medical intervention, I used to say, and I hold my hands up to this, oh, what do you need the tablets for? Oh, you don't need that, but it's a chemical imbalance, yeah. And I think it's important that yes, you might need to do that. Yeah, go to the doctors, speak to someone. I know it's hard, but just the person who shouts the loudest gets the results.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

And even if it's too hard to get a GP's appointment, take yourself off to the pharmacy and speak to them. Yeah. That's what they're there for at the end of the day. And obviously you've got all the there's all the charities, all the groups, Facebook, WhatsApp's, you know, there's there's groups for everybody, whatever platform you use, there's something for everybody to talk about your problems and kind of gone back to the mental health of back to season two here, aren't we? But it's it's important because we've been speaking about this one for ages, haven't we? Um but there is, there's loads of ways that you can get help. Loads of ways you can get help. Don't suffer in silence. No. Make sure you speak to somebody at the end of the day, because anxiety is probably one of the worst things to deal with alone.

SPEAKER_00 27:36

Yeah. How crippling it can be. Just literally stops you doing anything.

SPEAKER_01 27:48

But also, if you're throwing like beers down your throat every night of the week and stuff, and then you're getting anxiety, maybe um stop questioning why you're getting anxiety.

SPEAKER_00 27:56

Obviously, we've been to the Isle of Wight, it was a very boozy weekend, and my sleep was just non-existent. I felt my s all my self-confidence just went. But I'm better than I used to be. Now I'm really looking forward to no more drinking till I go to Spain on the 26th of March. I thought you were gonna say 26th of February, I thought it's today, isn't it? No, no, that's that's two days. That's it. It's two days, but but yeah, I think that's a good place to wrap it up. Yeah. That was mine and Chris's take on anxiety and how it makes you feel, why the way you why it makes you feel the way you feel. Um my my honest take on what can you do to try and combat it. I hope I didn't trigger anyone, I hope I didn't upset anyone.

SPEAKER_01 28:45

I don't think it was we've not said anything there that we shouldn't have said that we couldn't have said or we wouldn't say normally, have we? So there's no uh intervention from us other than just make sure you speak to somebody if you're dealing with crippling anxiety, and if you're not, make sure you have sympathy for people that are. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:02

Yeah, and we're the the inbox is always open, Chris, isn't it? Yeah. The inbox is always open. More so recently, because nobody messages us. Yeah, nobody messages us anymore. But yeah, I think that's a good place to wrap it up. If you've got anxiety and it's crippling you, open up, speak to someone, tell them how you're feeling. Because chances are there is someone else going for exactly the same thing as you.

SPEAKER_01 29:25

Yeah, and if they haven't got anxiety, they won't have any idea how you're feeling. So if you don't tell them how they're expected to know. That's it. Lovely.

Speaking Carefully About Mental Health

SPEAKER_00 29:33

Lovely. Well, I've been Leslie, wasn't it? Leslie. I've been Leslie. And I'm still Ash because of a legend. Um we hope you've enjoyed that, and we will see you next week. See you later, guys.