The Untold Podcast
UNTOLD Podcast is where business, family, and life collide—raw, unfiltered, and brutally honest. No fluff, no fake success stories—just real conversations about the highs, the struggles, and everything in between.
The Untold Podcast
Episode 1 Part 4 : Side Hustles for the Broken Lazy: Debunking the Myth
Ever wondered why "side hustles" feel like an impossible task when you're already exhausted? We're tearing down the curtain on toxic hustle culture with zero apologies. Too many self-proclaimed gurus promise quick riches without acknowledging the mental preparation success requires. Our candid conversation explores how true achievement rarely happens overnight—and why that's actually a good thing.
"The minute I slowed myself down and started believing in myself, everything changed," reveals one host, reflecting on his journey from debt to success. We dissect how many of us grow up with complicated relationships to money, often inheriting beliefs that wealth equals moral compromise. These unconscious patterns can sabotage our progress until we recognize and reframe them.
What does "luck" really mean in the success equation? We offer a powerful alternative definition: luck is when preparation meets opportunity. This perspective shift acknowledges both the work required and the unpredictable timing of breakthrough moments. Through personal stories of unexpected connections and pivotal conversations, we demonstrate how seemingly random events can become transformative—but only when you've laid the groundwork to recognize and seize them.
Rather than chasing arbitrary financial targets, we challenge listeners to define what their ideal life actually looks like. What freedoms matter most to you? What daily experiences would bring fulfillment? This approach transforms vague ambitions into concrete life design, making success both more achievable and more meaningful. As one host explains, "You never see the destination on a sat-nav... you only see the next junction"—success is navigated one turn at a time.
Join us for raw, unfiltered conversations about the messy, non-linear path to creating something meaningful. Subscribe now to ensure you never miss an episode of authentic wisdom from those who've been there, failed there, and eventually succeeded there.
Side hustles for the broken lazy, fuck off, because if you're broken lazy you cannot hustle. That's the whole point, not this arrogant little twat that thinks he's owed everything. I used to think I was owed everything by the world. If you say aspire to be someone, oh yeah okay, yeah, that sounds great.
Speaker 2:But if you say fake it till you, make it oh no, that's cheap. Preparation meets opportunity.
Speaker 1:Manifest it, prepare for it in case one day it comes knocking, this notion of getting rich quick. Do this, do this and you'll earn £10,000 a month in two months.
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Speaker 1:I hated the phrase side hustle. I still hate it today, but I've got to use it because it indexes well and it gets me rich. Yeah, I hate it. Side hustles for the broken lazy fuck off, because if you're broken lazy you cannot hustle. That's the whole point. Yeah, the other thing that drives you mad is this, this notion of getting rich quick. Do this, do this and you'll earn 10 grand a month in two months now.
Speaker 2:If it works, that's great. But if you get rich quick, you will lose it very quickly, exactly mentally you're not ready to earn 10 grand a month, you're not.
Speaker 1:the one of the reasons why I'm so glad it took me two to three years and even that's quick on the grand scheme of things is because it gave me the time to go to therapy to be ready for success, because dealing with failure and dealing with success they both come with their own fucking mental struggles which we're going to explore and listen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and a lot of people say, oh, you were so lucky. You were so lucky. Now, my definition of luck is when preparation meets opportunity. Absolutely right, you've got to prepare for it. You've got to prepare for like, I've prepared for meeting you guys because I've built a studio, you've prepared for meeting chris because you've got do you know what I mean? And we're all. Preparation meets opportunity. Manifest it, prepare for it, in case one day it comes knocking.
Speaker 1:Exactly mate, in a previous life, six months prior to this, the phone call you and I had got at. We wouldn't have ended up having that conversation that led down that road. It would have been me saying can you send the prices through nice one? That's it done that's it.
Speaker 2:and because I didn't send the prices because I was so busy and I thought, look, I've got to ring him, I'm gonna pick'm going to pick up the phone to him. And we got chatting and I said, well, hold on a minute, let's just let's do this. And then we had a few chats, and then he had a few chats with you and we said, right, let's meet up and let's do it.
Speaker 1:Literally. I had a pint of Guinness in my hand and he went. Should we meet up and have a Guinness when?
Speaker 2:we walked in the pub and we don't know each other and we're all looking like and I was like you have a Guinness piece. Yeah, I'll have one, I'll have one and that was a relationship made in heaven.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but no, I just yeah. I feel that this, this podcast, I'm really excited about it. I'm really excited. I'm really excited about. I feel I've got a wealth of knowledge I feel you have. I'm making it up as I go along, right, but, yeah, well, fake it till you make it is the is the thing, and that's what I've done for 42 years yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1:I've learned that that's not a negative thing again. It's one of those things oh, he's faking it. Anyone that gets promoted in any job ever is faking it, but it's. You could if you put fancy words behind it it changes the meaning entirely. Proper, fake it yeah if you say aspire to be someone oh yeah, okay, yeah, that sounds great, but if you say fake it till you make it. Oh no, that's cheap Bollocks, it's the same fucking phrase.
Speaker 2:But it's me. We're tendering for a project Now. It's the biggest project ever and I'm like it's a bit daunting because of the money involved and everything involved, but I know I can do it If I dedicate the time and I want to do it, I can do it and I feel that that's something that you dedicated the time and it's taking you a hell of a long time, but you're doing it. You dedicated the time, it's taking you but you're doing it. And I feel compounding that. When I said that front foot forward every single day. You compound that over a year and it's phenomenal. I used to be like, right, I'm here, I want to have a million pounds.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and this is a story.
Speaker 2:I said to my mate he was a bit down. I said where'd you want to be in a year? I said to my mate he was a bit down. I said look, where do you want to be in a year? He said I want to be a millionaire.
Speaker 2:I said that's bullshit, mate. What? Okay, how are you going to get to be a millionaire? I don't know. That's your target to become a millionaire. How do you define that? Is that a million pound in profit? Is that a million pound in turnover? I don't know. 900 000. You're going to be disappointed if you set your goal at a million pounds and you you might not go over it, so you might cap yourself at it.
Speaker 2:I said what do you want to? What does your life want to look like in a year's time? Not whether you want to be a millionaire, because that's just monetary. And then he said okay, well, I'd like to be able to not have to work shift work where I'm working. I'd like to be able to spend a bit more time with the family. I'd like to not have to work weekends. I was like okay, there you go. And how do you get to that? What do you need to do to get to that? Okay, well, I can go and ask for promotional work, speak to my boss, do this, do that. And he went down a couple of different avenues and now he's doing all right for himself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's it, mate. The best, the best analogy I heard there is you, don't? You don't walk into a deli and ask for a sandwich. What bread, what do you want in your sandwich? What bits of the salad do you want? You know it's, it's the more detailed your order, the more aligned you can put yourself to the goals that you're saying. But you're, you're exactly right, it's. It's not about. It's not about the money, it's about what the money represents, and it's so important, it's so important. That's what I was going back to.
Speaker 1:What I said earlier on about I was always chasing money. I think there's probably a handful of people that I've ever met in my entire life. They chase it, they'll get it. There's a few people out there. We know somebody, don't we? Yeah, you know, if they want money, they'll go and get it the following day. Yeah, you know, it's as simple as that. They, they just, they just. It just comes to them because that's the way they think. Yeah, I used to chase money and never had any, didn't have a penny to my name, was always in debt, always on me, overdraft everything.
Speaker 1:The minute I slowed myself down and started believing in myself, you come across a better person. You come across like you. You're not this arrogant little twat that thinks he's he's owed everything. I used to think I was owed everything by the world because the stuff I went through when I was a teenage boy and everything I thought do you know what? One day I'm going to get everything I've ever wanted. But it doesn't work like that. You know, you've actually got to work your nuts off to get somewhere. And with the TikTok it was the belief in myself. My missus said to me like why are you still doing this? I believe in you. She's my biggest fan. I believe in you, but why are you doing it? You're not gaining anything from it. You're spending money. I was buying. I built a shed. I bought a shed. It cost me a grand. I built a studio in it and everything. I'd made about 100 quid on TikTok.
Speaker 2:But I believe there was something there. I just kept believing, and believing, and believing Again. You prepared, you manifested that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, yeah, and you prepared for it along the way, but I didn't ever believe anything I was going to do was going to achieve anything before that point. I woke up one morning and must have just thought now's the day where I'm going to start believing in myself and start doing things. You've got to believe in yourself. Like listening to you talking, you believe everything you're saying is what is happening, what is going to happen and I've spoken to you loads already and you it's obvious that you believe that because you made a bloody YouTube channel about it yeah, do you?
Speaker 2:know what I mean, but that was fairly recent, yeah, it took me a long time.
Speaker 1:I was brought up and I grew up hating money, hating it. I had to sort of come to terms with that and then find out, learn how to love money, because, growing up, everyone again dad was a postman, mum worked as a receptionist at a doctor's surgery. We never had anything and it was always oh, the rich. They all sold their soul to get there. All of it, and even playing Monopoly as a kid. You win at Monopoly. What you're actually doing is slowly breaking every person around the boardroom. You know what I mean. It's a horrible way to learn about money, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's inequality, isn't it it?
Speaker 1:is.
Speaker 2:In every part of life. There's no quick win in Monopoly.
Speaker 1:You slowly break the heart of everybody that you play. Yeah, yeah, yeah, horrible. There's always tears in the water and that's what money is.
Speaker 2:It's an exchanging person. Then that person to that person and then someone will have enough they can hold on to it, yeah, and it sort of disappears. Like I listened to that gary stevenson the other day phenomenal bloke, I just bought his book, it's good. Yeah, phenomenal bloke, and he, yeah, he said about covid and I was like jesus, he's right, and I've never looked at it that way. I've never looked at it. But anyway, going back to this whole journey thing, I used to focus on the end destination and it was almost like there was a motorway. That was it. That was it. We get there. You put in your sat-nav. Now I want to go Barcelona in the car Sat-nav's going to take you there, and then it might be a crash there, and then it'll take you there, and then you go that way and then that road's closed way, and then that road's closed or you don't want to go through tolls, and you'll get there eventually. Enjoy the journey Exactly.
Speaker 1:You never see the destination on a sat-nav. This is the thing. You only see the next junction. Yeah, and you keep going, and keep going, and keep going.
Speaker 2:I know what I'm going to get from this podcast.
Speaker 1:I'm going deep, yeah, well, yeah, I mean we're back to repeating that sausage in my mouth aren't we, oh dear, in your endos, in your endos, in your endos?
Speaker 1:Oh, what was the point I was going to make? Oh, that's right. This whole concept that a task might be daunting, this fake it till you make it aspire to be something again. When I got started with this thing, it was we took 100 quid out of the joint and we topped it up to 200. If you had said to me right, not only are you going to achieve the challenge the boy that you're following on instagram to learn how to sell on amazon, you're actually going to be business partners with that kid amazing, you're going to be hosting and running two banging podcasts. You're going to be hosting live events where people all over the country are going to come and pay money to see you speak. Yeah, it's fucking nuts and it would have crumbled me early doors then. But when you come up to a task that you might think, well, am I ready for that, then why not you, why not me? It's that belief again, isn't it? It is that belief.
Speaker 1:And, yeah, I was insecure before I went on that stage. What one of the things, mate and you said it is how comfortable I appear to be on there. I come to terms pretty early on that. Any insecurity that I've got, that I'm overweight, that I might look like this, that I talk with a dodgy accent, I can't pronounce my th's, all that crap. Everyone else has got insecurities about themselves and they're so worried about their own they don't project any of theirs on you, so all you've got to do is go. I don't give a fuck who I am. This is, this is who I am, that's it and that's it.
Speaker 2:And there's too many people that do give too much of a fuck what other people think exactly and it holds them back. And it holds them back and they're trying to be this person. I was that person. I was trying to be this person that I wasn't putting a shirt on to do a video for the bit. Now, hold on a minute. That's not me. I like to be comfy. I can be professional, I'm knowledgeable.
Speaker 2:If you want me to walk in this is like that Zelensky thing the other day If you want me to walk into a meeting wearing a three-piece suit, no, I'm not interested. I was going to go on the Apprentice and I was like, yeah, I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it and I watch it every time and I'm like this is painful, I'm going to go on it. So do we? We watch it every time at all. And I got on and I got short and they keep messaging me like you need to come for the interview. And I was like I don't want to do that, that's not me. And I watched it the other day and they're all in, like they're all running around looking for products wearing three-piece suits, uncomfortable in and I'm just like nah, that's not for me, I don't I don't, and it would have.
Speaker 2:Either it would have made me or break me, but to be fair, I'd much rather sit here chatting to you two and the guests we get in about life. I think I'll learn a hell of a lot more than going on something like that.
Speaker 1:I don't think I could add it's so orchestrated to make you look like a fucking idiot. Yeah, and I couldn't deal with that when they say right now get yourself to Chelmsford and find out what a Chelmsford tea hawk is. And I'm shouting at the screen go, google it. Yeah, out into the screen and go Google it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah Ask.
Speaker 1:Jack GBT. Yeah, yeah, but you're not allowed your phones. We've the site that I'm working on currently. The chippy's daughter is actually currently on it, is she? Yeah, yeah, I'll talk to you later on about it. Yeah, well, off a microphone for obvious reasons. But, yeah, you, it's not ideal. I couldn't. Yeah, I said my mate Lee messaged me on the first episode of this series going you should go on the Apprentice. I went. I couldn't do it, mate. I said if I've got a phone call saying Lord Sugar's going to pick you up in 10 minutes, tell him I'm having a pony. Tell him I'll get a cab, I'll see him later on I mean some of it.
Speaker 2:We talk about it with the team upstairs and they're like right, you've got to go on and you've got to design this. I mean the last one was an Easter egg, oh my God. Oh, I've got marketing experience. I've got branding experience. You fucking what? Where'd you learn it? Play school Cartoon characters on the thing. And I'm like, no, no, I know everybody. So you, it was my mum that actually said she said ash, you don't need that, you do not need to be going on the apprentice. No, like don't, do not do it. And it was her little in my back of my head and I was like, yeah, I'm gonna do it because I'm gonna go on the bbc program. And I was like, no, I'm not my mum's right, my mum was corporate, she was in london, she was done very well for herself. And she was like, no, you don't, they'll make you look like a dickhead. Yeah, and the more I watch it, I'm like there is no way that these people have managed to get on it. But they're that thick, yeah, no exactly right.
Speaker 1:I'm sure they're all very successful. There was a geezer last year who made it to the final even though he lost every single task to get him there. I don't even remember His name. Was Phil, yeah, yeah. Was he the dentist man? No, no. So when he came up with his name and he said he lived in West Sussex, me and Claire tweaked he's like he runs Turner's Pies. There's about six Turner's Pies in Worthing, all banging ratings, yeah. And he got made to look like a fucking idiot for 15 weeks in a row. And you know he's not. He's a really successful family-run business.
Speaker 2:Maybe we'll get in touch with him and get him on the podcast. Actually, that's a good shout. That's a good shout.
Speaker 1:The only thing I probably ever went on was Big Brother. That's about my limit. I'm trying to get myself on something, did you?
Speaker 2:go on Big Brother. No, no.
Speaker 1:I got to the final stages of one of the first ever ones At that right, mate. It wasn't right for you. I was at the game, I was on a who Dares Wins with Nick Knowles. Oh really, yeah, that National Lottery, bbc won one. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bombed out. I've not been on anything like that, oh God.
Speaker 1:You've not been on anything. Yeah, you've been on Towie. It'll come with Bobby and he was in the back like this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's pretty much it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly that. Yeah went out and bought a new shirt because he had to wear a certain style that's me a fortune.
Speaker 2:Got drunk, saw him filming and I just bombed it yeah.
Speaker 1:No, that was actually a really funny night. To be fair with me, my missus got really drunk and ended up actually spending the whole evening with all the cast afterwards. Yeah, it was really fun.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you what I went on. I bet they were cracking eh.
Speaker 1:Good pictures mate, Really good pictures.
Speaker 2:What was that programme? 24 hours, not 24 hours in police custody, 24 hour makeover or something with Peter Andre.
Speaker 1:Oh, 60 minute makeover. 60 minute makeover, that's it.
Speaker 2:I did 60 minute makeover at a care home in Burgess Hill Now. It was the most weirdest thing in the world. They got all the trucks there and all the presenters. It was probably the hottest day of the year, but we were filming the Christmas special.
Speaker 1:I'll have to get you on an NDA for that program.
Speaker 2:probably, no, I don't think so Be careful what you say.
Speaker 1:Peter Rodger would have only lived around the corner in those days as well.
Speaker 2:He was a ditchling boy in those days, wasn't he? Yeah, and I remember we were there knocking up adhesive and Peter's come in and he's like try to knock up this adhesive with this drill and it's gone all over him and stuff. But it was carnage. Keep to singing, sam. Yeah, but anyway, that's my. That's the only TV programme I've ever been on. About six years ago, the Christmas special 60-minute makeover at a care home and I had about four and a half seconds in it, covering Peter Andre in adhesive.
Speaker 1:Now I've got a picture of it on the wall in your house Peter Andre's signature. Right boys. We'll call it a day there. It's not bad for an introduction session.
Speaker 2:Went down some tangents, but that's what we're going to do, I think, on this show. Yes, it's untold, unedited and no filters.
Speaker 1:Exactly right, that one was fairly soft, I think. I think it would, who knows, but I've got a feeling they're going to get to know versions of us that they might not be aware of in the meantime.
Speaker 2:You might not even be aware of either.
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah that's true as well. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And I think by bringing on guests and stuff, I think that will add another dynamic in oh and stuff. I think that would be add another dynamic in oh my. God, yeah, we've got big plans for this podcast. Yeah, ours could be wicked and we're all going to have fun and everybody's going to have fun on the journey. Damn right, hopefully we'll help some people out. We're definitely going to help ourselves as well. Yeah, that's it. That's what we're here for at the end of the day. That's it, ourselves and other people. Yes, Alright.